If this is pre retcon then beyonder. Due to sun wukong's absolute transcendence to buddhahood. So there are 2 feats for HoTU that need to get debunked. so the 1st retcon beyonder. 0. Beyonder uses his prep to observe Doom preparing,. . Pre-Retcon Beyonder was also omnipotent "And another "slight" parameter. Round 3: All-Mighty vs TOAA. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. #6 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. #1 Edited By NinjaWarrior268. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should not even consider Demonbane. I like to think I'm pretty knowledgeable about SCP though and I agree that from what little I do know I don't think any marvel characters have that level of narrative breaking. the_doctor. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. 5 years ago. You can also upload and share your favorite Beyonder wallpapers. 3. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube (Because part of the power was in Owen Reece) Recent Retcon Beyonder < the marvel abstracts but not by much. Jan 22, 2017. The events of Secret Wars I and II were not removed from canon, what changed was the Beyonder's relationship with the other cosmic entities. Protege is the embodiment of a "no-limits" fallacy though. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. Death from what I remember had no power of Lucifer, only Destiny did - so I think it's safe to assume she scales below him. Jump Force Goku view all Shonen as fiction how will Pre Retcon Beyonder will win. show 3 replies . Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. He. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they were of both. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. The Beyonders who are attacking the multiverse are beings that live in the beyond, which most likely is either outside the multiverse, or be void between universes. So logically the Beyonder at full power can defeat Galactus at full power. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. It's more like the One Above All kind of power. There are more multiverses in existence than stars in the sky. #8. Beyonder still probably loses to Thought Robot Superman, Final Batsuit Batman, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Perpetua, the Darkest Knight, true form Darkseid,. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Follow 474. The beyonder is under him. Fight takes place in current DC universe. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Beyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. • 1 year ago. Then the pre retcon beyonder attacks himself. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. This is the biggest mismatch. 9 K. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. But Lucifer should win this quite handily. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. He's about cause and effect and. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 3. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. Forum Posts. -Everyone full powers. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Pre Retcon Beyonder and Molecule Man are at TOAA’s level. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. CsmicRanker1314 1. Lucifer is above an Infinitely Layered Creation. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. A common misconception about HoTU is that it's omnipotent or a fraction of TOAA's power, multiversal and some stuff of the like, the only indicator for this is that thanos absorbed LT during his fight, in terms of power, HoTU isn't a lot more impressive than the IG for an example. In Secret Wars 2, the Beyonder was above the real Living Tribunal (In the retcon, it was. Phoenix vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder = probably Beyonder unless we are using the level where Phoenix possessed the power to destroy him. 7. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. . But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Followers. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. The Soruce(DC) 5. Current version of the Beyonder (sentient cosmic cube, NOT the. Follow 1963. . [deleted] • 8 yr. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. Pre-retcon molecule man is the most powerful version of recce. Manhattan's league. I can only speak of Pre-Retcon Beyonder since that is who I am familiar with, but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. No Prep. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". FIRST COSMOS. . ago. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know, it's hard to tell. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. This is a simple fight. 3 years ago. I don't think that Pre-retcon Beyonder in pic but. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Why? Because beyonder powers are const and limited. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins with ease! He is literally beyond everyone and everything (ofc not TOAA) and a multiversal threat. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. Lucifer is way above pre Retcon BeyonderPRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s. Numidium 2. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. The scarlet demon is omnipresent throughout the narrative stacks and normal SK is just a mere avatar of the scarlet demon. The Beyonder has been retconned. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins fairly convincingly. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. It's more like the One Above All kind of power. 14 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. FollowRound 5: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man vs God Emperor Doom Round 6:Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God Emperor Doom Bonus Round: Protege vs God Emperor Doom This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A GregLeagueGamingAlt •. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Both sides are in character but determined to win. How the fuck does a "millions of times stronger than the multiverse" Beyonder become. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. Destroyah said: Doesn't really change the fact that PR Beyonder was as close you could get to being omnipotent then just being. #11. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. Living tribunal. 0. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. ". Yeah Mxy is tough as shit, and probably wont go down. Second, Beyonder would stop Mxy from going out of the comic, trapping him in the Beyond-Realm (himself). The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. Forum Posts. 14 years ago. Aka via ap advantage Oblivion alone has Infinite Spatial Dimensions and is described as a realm which contains all Change and Variation within it. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. In 1985, before any changes were made to the story, The Beyonder was a. New comments cannot be posted. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. 2. 17 Ginriu. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. His anti-feats are plot-induced because it's attempting to tell the story of him trying to figure out the Marvel multiverse because it's so tiny and simplistic in scope to the Beyonder realm. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. As I said I'm not intimately familiar with pre retcon beyonder or even marvel comics overall. Conceptual Warping Tier C vs Particle Manipulating Tier B. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. 5 years ago. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder casually eliminated Death from the universe and could have wiped out the universe in a snap. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. 1. Forums Battles Darkseid (True Form) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 121 results 1 2 3 #1 Soratoumiga 4 years ago #2 ProfessorRespect Beyonder. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Lucifer is a different beast. 5 years ago. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Round 5: All-Mighty vs The entire Marvel verse. The Soruce(DC) 5. "Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre," omipotent does not make a auto win. "Now now thats not true. Team 2 = Fusion mode. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. HeartLesS 25 d . He has way better feats, unless you can provide me a showing for Reinhard superior to being beyond comprehension of Pre-Retcon MM, as well as being above all of Marvel. Thanos wins this. #2 blackspidey2099. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. Summary. Even The. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. 7 Doctor Manhattan: Methodical. Beyonder is marvel. 2. ago. #20. 1. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. The beyonder is a person from another plane of existence called the beyond which is larger than the marvel multiverse. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. Both strike an ambiguous pose when it comes to creating a universe. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. R3 - Inhuman/Mutant Beyonder faces the 5. 103. Let me remind you that SCP verse is much bigger than both Marvel and DC. The pre-retcon beyonder is aware of the writer/publishers and can threatening them so that possibly plot resistance. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. Hajun via feats and implied power. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. #28 ovy7. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. Followers. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. The Beyonder was surprised by Mephisto. the retcon. Not to say he's necessarily just a planetary threat now. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. But it wont be easy by no means. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. 9 years ago. 43. The old prerecton beyonder wasnt the same as the current beyonders, but he was related to them. Round 2 is just silly, because neither of those characters would be ANY help to Superman, much less to Beyonder. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. I realize that this doesn't exactly answer your question. The omnipotent Beyonder is on a destructive rampage and has decided to destroy the entire Marvel omniverse. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. #1 quandaledingle. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Hence why people differentiate the. The same exact way Presence is the Supreme Being of the DC Multiverse. No, he is likely Presence level. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. 3. The beyonder has way better feats. Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. Wiki Points. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. Note: While the Beyonder's existence is often divided between "pre-retcon" and "post-retcon" in relation to the original Secret Wars, this is not entirely accurate. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. But it doesn't end there. loveNwar. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. . pre retcon molecule man vs. The Beyonder, a young member of an ancient race known as the Beyonders, was made aware of the Marvel Universe due to an 'accident' orchestrated by the other Beyonders involving Owen Reece. He represented everything outside the Marvel Universe, while TOAA represents MU. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. the_doctor. Honestly assuming it’s pre-retcon Beyonder and MM then they stomp the dc fodder hard. No matter how you interpret the effects of the Retcon, Beyonder can no longer be stated to be above Authorial fiat. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. #2 Edited By juiceboks Moderator. The Beyonder is bloodlusted. Lucifer is a different beast. If not, Team 2 with some trouble, since PRB<HOTU. #1. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Isn't that pre retcon beyonder? post retcon last i can remember was way weaker than pre retcon beyonder and Fu walks around from High hyperversal to Outerversal. Thanks!!!!!In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. He toke on beyonder and was stated to be LT's superior MM did say that he had become a component of great power, but not quite up. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. #1 Thanatic. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL Existence(or, All-Fiction)". Be careful man, soon the Lucifer fanboys will come out and lecture you about how Lucifer will curbstomp every single fictional being. @Metalslash said: MJJ wins. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. "No other force or power in existence could. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. He's was designed by Jim Shooter to be a catch-all explanation for the existence of all the other fiction. . He was even above and beyond the writing staff . @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. . This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and destroy reality, in Marvel Comics. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he was retconned into a more limited character with varied origins. Beyonder 39%. COIE Anti Monitor. So I might be missing something. 1. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. May 26, 2023. But it wont be easy by no means. The Beyonder doesn’t know what the abstracts will say. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. 3. 7 years ago. Reviews: 0. He also sits just below the prime meta-versal being in his respective property. 0. This has to be a joke wtf. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. Apparently, Beyonder doesn’t know Molecule Man is going to attack him. Archived post. so the Doomslayer stomps. VS. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has more statements of powers than the new ones. GEB=Anti Pressence. Beyonder isnt really known for prep anyways. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. Beyonder (Earth-616)/Quotes Category page. Forum Posts. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Beyonder stomps. 2. Beyonder. 14 years ago. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. That being said, I’m going to give this one to the pre-retcon Beyonder. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. Beyonder Spider-Man vs Naruto, MHA, Bleach, One Piece, Magi, Umineko, Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya verses. The closest you get I think is Guenpool and she just has basic fourth wall. He may have to resort to starving them out by erasing humanity though. Dude’s absolutely broken. He wins. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. 0. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. Eternity, Death, Infinity, Oblivion. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Franklin Richards(full control of his powers) All the celestials. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Locked post. As a scientist, Doctor Manhattan is all about doing things step by step. Beyonder at first during SW2 didnt even have a concept of life or death for a while and was even manipulated by normal people, by the end of SW2 he was more knowledgeable but to the basic comrepehension of stuff, Lucy on the other hand is one of the most cunning people in DC and with his power combined he should think of a way to beat PRB other. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. All proof that is needed is the fact that he is beyond the marvel multiverse. Most being have failed, and only two holds the hope of all creation. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. 1 year ago. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a being for whom the marvel. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. Post retcon would be a closer fight. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. A. PR Beyonder tanked a blast that would of shattered billions of dimensions and he was bullying PR MM who repaired the multiverse with a gesture. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created. Bait? 1 year ago. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. If the race, then that is a good battle. PR Beyonder curbstomps. That was an accident. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. ago. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. #1 Edited By LightningGod67.